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« on: December 07, 2008, 02:21:37 PM »

To the average commuter on the LIRR during the middle of the twentieth century there is probably nothing that symbolized their hours spent riding the rails more than the inside of a Ping-Pong coach. The P-54 coach as it was classified was designed as a lightweight coach to replace the wooden fleet. The light weight and truck design also resulted in the rough ride that earned the cars their nickname. An interesting feature of the cars is that the were made to be converted from steam hauled to electric with relative ease.  They served the LIRR faithfully for an impressive 60 years!

When the last were retired in 1974 many found homes on tourist railroads. Subsequently, none were saved by any preservation group on Long Island, leaving a major gap in telling of the story of the LIRR. In the recent past a few opportunities have come up to rectify this.  Such oppotunities included the car on the Long Isalnd Expressway and the batch of cars in Boonton, NJ.  Unfortunately the cars that were available had been gutted or significantly altered and all suffered badly from corrosion thus making thier salvage and restoration cost prohibitive.

Recently the Knox & Kane tourist railroad in western Pennsylvania closed its doors for good and sold off its equipment. A scrap metal dealer bought a good portion of the rolling stock, including three Pings. Thanks to our friends from Island Rail LLC we were put in contact with the scrapper and arrangements were made to inspect the cars. For cars that are notorious for rotting out, these are remarkably solid, a testament to the care and maintenance given by the Knox and Kane. One car in particular, T-54 #7433, is in remarkably good shape and still retains its original seat frames and classic round windows. 

While we are fairly picky when it comes to adding rolling stock to our collection, this car was simply too good to pass up and the odds of finding another car in as good of shape are very slim.  After an inspection trip by the OBRM we have purchased it for inclusion into the museum.   This car is a very important acquisition and in reality, we had planned for such an acquisition in our long range plans in the hopes that such an opportunity might arise.  The cost of purchasing, transporting and restoring the coach are considerable but we feel that the collection would not be complete without it.  As it stands now the car should be delivered to Oyster Bay in March/April of 2009. 

Naturally, we are seeking donations toward this cause.  For all those impassioned lovers of the ping-pong and those wishing to ensure the continued preservation of the LIRR's rich history, here in your chance to make a difference.  Please consider sending a tax-deductibe donation to us and mark your check's memo box
"PING PONG".  Donations may be sent to: OBRM, P O Box 335, Oyster Bay, New York 11771.

We want to give big thanks to Island Rail LLC for all of their support and for being a corporate sponsor of the project.  We will keep you updated as things come together.  Meanwhile, feel free to forward your questions and concerns to us at LIRR35@aol.com.

Steve Torborg, Trustee
Oyster Bay Railroad Museum
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 03:00:08 PM »

Great news, Steve! They say a picture is worth a thousand words, here is one I found of the car:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1287374
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 04:26:11 PM »

As member of OBRM this is very good news to hear can't wait to see her back home again.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 02:42:47 PM »

FROM THE OYSTER BAY RR MUSEUM (OBRM):
Today, Monday June 15th, one of the last of the pride of the LIRR passenger fleet, Knox & Kane #7433, a Former LIRR Ping Pong (P-54) coach is being readied for its (VERY) long journey home. As I am writing this post, one of our most trusted volunteers and former Trustees, Roger Hahn is working with the crew from Silk Road Transport to remove the car from its trucks and place heavy duty rubber tired highway bogies under her. It's a long drawn out process that is ongoing as I write this. The car is scheduled to leave Marienville PA tomorrow (6/16) for its trip over the GW Bridge around 10pm at nite at which time it should arrive in Oyster Bay around 3 am Wednesday.
On Wednesday morning around 8am, it will be unloaded onto temporary track which was given to us by Bill Wall at the Shore LIne Trolley Museum in CT, when we received LIRR N-52 Caboose #12 a few years ago.
Should make for an interesting day.
The OBRM is open on Saturdays from 12 noon till 4pm and also on Tuesday evenings during the car cruise nights in the summer.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 07:48:54 PM »

A picture is worth a thousand words!
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1639618
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 08:27:28 PM »

The coach looks great!  Glad to have one back on Long Island, safe and sound, and in good hands.  Thanks, OBRM!
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 09:13:15 PM »

That Ping has nice trucks! Grin
Whens the fan trip down the LIE!
This is a true museaum piece.























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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 09:25:21 PM »

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrpingpong.htm LIRR Ping Pong Page

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 11:44:06 PM »

While I applaud the effort involved in getting this piece back on home rails, I find it ironic that for whatever reason it was cheaper or more expedient to fit it with rubber tires to be transported by truck over the highway, rather than being delivered by rail. Huh
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 07:43:22 AM »

She couldn't be moved on her own trucks, as they are friction and riveted.  Funny, they ran at high speed for 80 years on those trucks, but now they're unsafe!  Loading her on a flatcar would involve some severe equipment and movement fees.  I see the (high) irony only too clearly.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2009, 08:47:28 AM »

What's really ironic is the whole ban on moving friction bearing trucked equiptment started after some LIRR P-72s derailed on CSX, and they were roller bearing!
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2009, 12:47:13 PM »

Also, let us not forget that even IF the car were able to be taken to Oyster Bay by rail, we would have to cooedinate this move with a few different railroads and it would more than likely cost a LOT more $$$$$$ + insurance on our part.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »

I don't see why it would cost more for insurance to move a railroad car over the railroad. I would think it would cost more having it out on the highway, where the chances of an accident are higher. As for coordinating the move with more than one road, well, that's what the railroads do for a living, isn't it Huh
I will admit the insurance companies do some things that don't make any sense except maybe to the insurance company, and maybe not even then.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2009, 04:19:00 PM »

There ain't no way in hell any class 1 would touch that car today with a 10' pole, simply put.   

It is getting harder and harder to find car knockers today that even know what to do with a plain bearing.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009, 12:30:53 PM »

ALL:
The discussion of wether or not it could have, should have or would have, the Ping Pong travel over the rails is moot.
SHE'S HERE!!!
LIRR T-54 Ping Pong Car #433 arrived at our display site around 3am Wed and the unloading began about 8am with our forces working 16 hours until we finished up at MIDNITE.
With help from our friends at Dodds & Eder Nurseries, who generously loaned us one of their high volume air compressors to power up our 2- 25 ton car jacks, the car was first cribbed to unload from the transporter while the wheelsets were unloaded onto a seperate track. Due to the displays of our cabooses near the front of the yard, this was the only way we could accomodate the rigs.
Using no more than our muscles and our trusty forklift in addition to the air jacks, we were able to move the trucks into place using an ingenious contraption of track rail and temporary track to slide the trucks under the car sideways and them pin them.
We will do a thorough walk-through of the car to make a list of repairs and will work very closely with Barry Technical school welding & shop divisions to re-create the sheet metal parts and install them.
As always, we are open Saturdays from 12-4
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