Sunrise Special Logo or all The World To See.

[Paul]

I hope I dont regret putting this here. He is what my art work looks like. any suggestions for modifications? Please consider I spent good coin in doing this.

[RGlueck]

Thank you, Paul.  My belief is the sunrise background was the same color as the lower portion of the keystone.  Looking at the tender on Arrt's Arrchives, I see no discernable difference in the two shades.  I know of nobody who can say for certain how it actually appeared.  When LIST NRHS worked onthe 35 at Eisenhower Park in the 60's,we tried to remove paint carefully onthe tender to ascertain the logos actually configuration.  Nothing appeared under the paint that was on the tender at that time.

[Paul]

I read somewhere it was four color. blue sky, red sun and lettering, yellow below the sun, gold boardering. Here are some variations I had considered. I still believe it would have been on a DGLE back ground...

Yellow


Red.
OK,

Red with all gold lettering


Gold lettering with a Red Marque.


I think the four color logo works very well and is as close to the written discription as I could imagine, however, since I just played with the color combos I like the gold lettering with the red sun almost as well. What ever it was, it must have been damn impressive!

You decide.

[RGlueck]

No question the four color logo is sexier than the others, and it would make sense that the railroad's name train would have a special paint scheme, considering they dedicated a whole tender to it!  The only thing that I can't reconcile is the shade difference between the sky and the lower keystone.  Somehow, it just doesn't catch me artistically.  I'm pretty sure if it isn't the blue sky one, it's your #2 configuration, not the others.  I wonder if there is a reference in a newspaper introducing the train at the time?  I wonder if Art Huneke knows? 

[Towerman25]

Paul- these are great drawings. Did you create them youself?

What are they intended for exactly?

Will they be painted on or applied with cut vinyl?

-david

[scopelliti]

There is a photo on page 308 of Steel Rails to the Sunrise (softbound) that has a pretty good (albeit black and white) image.  The font for "Sunrise" and "Special" is different, as well as the weight of the horizontal lines. It appears (again B&W) that the border and font color are the same, but that could be an artifact of the B&W translation.

[Paul]

Paul- these are great drawings. Did you create them youself?
What are they intended for exactly?
Will they be painted on or applied with cut vinyl?-david

This is intended for a 7.5" gauge live steam G5s that I am building, I plan on doing number 21 becuz of the logo. It will be four color vinyl graphics then clear coated to protect from weathering. And, my G5 will be painted DGLE as I supect thats how they were when delivered. The letters in the marquies are stand alone so tender color will show behind.

There is a photo on page 308 of Steel Rails to the Sunrise (softbound) that has a pretty good (albeit black and white) image.  The font for "Sunrise" and "Special" is different, as well as the weight of the horizontal lines. It appears (again B&W) that the border and font color are the same, but that could be an artifact of the B&W translation.

I can only work within what programs I have available to me. Sorry about that but life ain't perfect.

[alcoAL]

I emailed Art to see if he knew & he referred me to Harold Fagerberg. I'll have to give him a call to see what he remembers. If we get a definitive answer, it'll be for historic purposes. So Paul, since it's your loco, you can use whichever one you want and the first one is the nicest.

[Towerman25]

Interesting project, Paul. And yes, you have the right idea with vinyl lettering, that's the way to go.

What program did you use to draw the artwork? That could make a difference when you go out to have the sign cut.

-david

[Paul]

Interesting project, Paul. And yes, you have the right idea with vinyl lettering, that's the way to go.

What program did you use to draw the artwork? That could make a difference when you go out to have the sign cut.

-david

Adobe illustrator.

[RetiredLIRRConductor]

Here it is in living black and white, from ArrtsArrchives. Looks like the first image is closest.

[Dave Keller]

It DOES appear that the background at the top is slightly darker than the background at the bottom.

Hence the yellow/gold at the bottom and the blue at the top seems to make sense!

It's definitely not the SAME color at the top and bottom of the Keystone.

Also:  the bottom ribbon for "railroad" begins halfway under the "O" and ends halfway under the "N".  Paul has it longer . .

And . . .half the "G" and Half the "L" border each side of the Keystone

Dave

[RGlueck]

Alco Al has a few inquiries out there which we hope will narrow the question.  Assuming the image has a blue sky, the color combination should be a knockout.  If it straight gold, I'm hoping those parties who have expressed interest will still place an order.  Give us a few more days.